Hi Guys,

Im looking at installing an after market ECU but keep getting different storys from mechanics and friends.
Can anybody shed some light on this?

Thanks for your input in advance.

I have got a Microtech LT10 goin in my GT, the tuner @[ All Dyno Tuning] Redcliffe, is goin to leave the standard computer in, & just piggyback the microtech using the tech for injector control & idle control probably a couple of things that i have missed also.Cheers

I forgot to tell you i only paid $1068 for my microtech,thru Mazfix, they tune it first before they send it to you so you can drive it strait away, hey if they are good enough to run Rotors down the Quarter mile in under 10secs, thats a good enough reason to buy one, & if you write ya Starlet of you can use the LT10 in another vehicle.Cheers.

Yeh sounds like another idea,

Let me put it this way, I want the best ECU that is suited to my Starlet to do the best it can at any price necessery.

unds like another idea,

Let me put it this way, I want the best ECU that is suited to my Starlet to do the best it can at any price necessery.
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Go Motec dude, you can throw out the Starlet computer, & use this as a Standalone, it is the Control computer for the V8 Supercars, alot of Highend Drag cars use the Motec aswell, i think they are about $2500.Cheers

Yep thats what I keep getting told so ill go with MoTec,

Is there a model type or number that i should specificy get do you know?

Cheers for your input

I suggest getting a tuner and going over your engine specs. Good motec tuners are pretty thin on the ground.

And the v8s use an old version, so its not really comparable.
Try to get the m400 i think it is, should do all you need it to.

there is so much information on the site when it comes to ECU's..and there are so many better options out there than a Microtech , Atari 2600 for one

the first thing is what you want from the car..
Are you using a stock turbo with a few bolt on mods and want to clean up the fuel map for more power and response ? a SAFC will do that for a couple hundred bucks and will give you about 150 Hp at the treads.
Are you using an aftermarket turbo with supporting mods chasing around 200hp and want tunability of the fuel and ignition maps ? Emanage blue for about $500 will do that and more..
Both of those options have been proven to work sucessfully...

the next question is who is going to tune it, and do they know anything about them...
you could have an autronic tuned by a person that only knows about motec's for example, and the full potential is not received..

what im saying is , there is no point in spending $2000 on an ECU , when it won't benifit on what your plans are with the car...
you need to determine where you want to go, and who has the knowledge to get the desired system working correctly...

the best ECU is the one with the best tune in it

so shop around for a really good tuner, and go with what they recommend, as they will be most comfortable with it.

matt spry is the only tuner ive seen good things said about over and over, he is somewhere down GC way as well. look him up, speak to him, pay him the money for whatever he recommends and enjoy

Thanks guys,

What im looking for is somwere over the 200hp mark.
I have stock turbo with some bolt on mods at the moment but am looking for a mainifold, dump pipe, FMIC, actuator, injectors etc then the ECU to hopefully achieve that sort off HP gain.

Jezza do you know if Matt Spry has a shop or any contact details for him?

Once again thanks for the input lads I really appreciate it!

Cheers

u wont make 200hp atw on the stock turbo, simple as that

Yeh sorry left out turbo that will be in there too,

Just went and saw Matt (his shop is like 400m from my house)
He pritty much told me to buy another car and dont waste money on a "STARLET"
mmmm little dissapointed but if i wanted a 180, skyline, supra i would have bought 1!!!
He said go with microtec and not to waste money on a motec.

So first things first i need a decent manifold and dump pipe
Any sudgestions? (im on the coast)

Cheers

Thats a little dissapointing to hear that from a guy that i even know is a good tuner!!!!

I think you should head the advice that has been given you, if your chacing 200 at the wheels look at an emanage running piggyback to your standard ecu (so cold start is there) and find someone who can tune it, should be heaps up your way. Chances are you could possibly wire it in yourself, or get the person who is going to tune it to throw it in.

Otherwise, look at around 185whp with an SAFC and Td04. Thats still alot in anyones book, and you could definately wire that in!!!

Paul

Thanks Paul,

Excuse my ignorence but what is a SAFC and Td04?

Apexi SAFC piggyback ecu (google it)

TD04 is a turbo

google is ur friend man

apexi safc is a "super air fuel controler" basically it is a fueling computer like a piggy back ecu just not as great but perfect on these cars as has been proved many many times

td04 is basically a IHI turbo as used on wrx's and such, capable of decent power and good response still on a 1.3 litre

i myself use a piggy back emanage (albeit i have an ultimate which has a few extra features) i cant fault it at all and would easy recommend it to anyone that wants a decent hike in power

i dunno what sorta power mine is putting out at the wheels atm but it is running 26psi and i still have some ignition to tune in to it as all my tuning is done with a wideband on the street (im not a real fan of dynos and true power is better shown on the strip)

as was b4 on 18psi my car has run 118mph on the strip and caculations say that is enough for a mid to high 11 second pass so im happy knowing my car is that quick rather than bragging that i has so many kw or hp

Type in EP82 on Ebay & you can get T25 Flanged Custom S/S manifolds for about $220 to suit your starlet.

Microtech's are horrible pieces of machinery. They have improved since the early days but they are still best designed for 100% throttle applications (Drag Racing) they were developed for Rotors. They also can't be transferred from car to car unless you send it back to Microtech and pay Several hundred dollars to have it modified to suit whichever new car you are running it on.

If you are only after 200HP I would go.

TD04
Steam Pipe Manifold
Exhaust obviously,
FMIC
EManage at a minimum or an Adaptronic E420C.

Emanage's are good cheap solution. They still do the job well. I can atest to this with 220hp atw, using a td04 on forged 5e engine.

Advantages are that they use the idle air control and start-up maps from the standard ecu. Automatic ignition retarding via the standard knock sensor, coolant temp and intake air temp is still there too.
Generally, you can still drive the car if you lose your settings too, plug and play basically, no start-maps too worry about.

Disadvantages are that they won't handle more than 400cc injectors at a stretch. But there are ways around this such as a RRFPR. (rising rate fuel pressure regulator)

ok ive looked into the emanage system and it sounds good, but what is the advantage of say a $2000 motec to a $600 emanage?

Also there are a couple of emanage units available, a standard for around $599 on a Ultimate for $899 also what would be the advantages of these or best suited for the Starlet?

Thanks again.

dude unless ur turning it in2 a full blown race / rally car... motec is going to b an utter waste of time for u

get a emanage blue or ultimate for basic stuff that u wanna do,

i run the ultimate and its really great, but most people will never use the extra stuff they have in them except if u have an auto or wanna drag race it it has launch control and a few nifty bits that i like to play with...

as well as that the emanages are easy to tune, as i tune my own

Awsome!!

Finnaly some answers I needed thank you!!

Ill go with the Ultimate, good price and will do what I need.

Keep you all posted on the progress

Thanks again.

i would look at a std emanage (blue unit) with the injector AND ignition harnesses, this will give you enough flexibility to make your 200hp atw +

Plug in field harness from the UK

For the ultimate:
http://www.ukstarletclub.com/forums/index....&hl=emanage

For the blue:
http://www.ukstarletclub.com/forums/index....&hl=emanage

I use a Haltech ECU.. but only go down that road if you have alot of $$ to spend on ya engine rebuild, and all the supporting mods to make ya car into a beast.

But to get quick satisfaction plug in the emanage blue (like everyone has said) with cheap bolt ons, and you can have some fun.. untill you want more power!

WHat ever you end up using, make sure it will use the factory (or an aftermarket) knock sensor. Unless you like detonating engines that is.

Nice thanks guys!!

Kiwi, I have a e420C Adaptronic on mine putting out 225hp at the treads on 15psi. Does what it says on the box and gives you features that you find on ECU cost twice that much (I paid $1000). At the end of the day the stock ECU does a lot well, you just can't tune the fuelling hence piggybacks like the emanage etc. The other thing you want is to manage ignition timing in tandem with fuelling. I am not sure which ones control both (the Adaptronic does but is a full ECU rather than a piggyback). The other brand is Autronic which is mega bucks. I agree with most opinions on here that you should talk to a tuner until you find one you trust and then go with his recommendation, but having investigated a few times I hear the same things about microtech (i.e. great for rotors and drags but not much for a mid power standard 4 cylinder). Can not fault Adaptronic.

Mods: AM Turbo, home made mani (design used under licence by Porsche :-), 2.5" exhaust, FMIC, RRFPR yadda yadda.

Cheers

Matt

So why does every man & his dog have a microtech then?

Do some hardcore mods before you contemplate fitting a stand alone ems. Extract as much safe power out of your car before it requires an aftermarket ecu. It can be done. From what i see your new to a starlet gt and from what i see, your also new to the modification side of things.

Your car wont make 500Hp using a motec on a ct9 running 9psi.

Ok I dont know were youve pulled your information from (try reading earlyer post on this topic)

As discribed above I will be installing A F.M.I.C (Installed today) CT9 hyflow, maifold and dump pipe, eboost then a ECU,

Not to sure were you got me saying i was gunna get or hopefull for 500hp from?

I suggest you pay closer attention next time but thanks for stating the obvious!!